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January 27, 2010

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Dan Baskette

Chuck, I think the "network is the computer" vision was realized by everyone. It had much more to do the SaaS than it did with physical hardware design. You need email....you don't need an email server or client...you just need a connection to the network. The actual plumbing hiding behind the network was the truth behind the slogan. Fast forward to current time and we see that model being applied inside the data center. Allow connections to services, but hide the plumbing. The real advantage to that model inside the enterprise is the ability to consolidate "peak-sized" silos into a share virtual infrastructure and Oracle's new strategy would seem to be in direct contrast to that. If I buy their stack and I am using 40% of it's capacity....can I use the other 60% to deploy my new SQL Server App or email? No. They are seemingly contributing to the overall cost problem and hiding behind the integration cost savings.

Phobos11

A few comments.

The comment about DB and middleware being Oracle's biggest strength and weakness applies equally to VMware. More so, since virtualization is now commodity already, and both Sun/Oracle and Microsoft offer their own virtualization solutions in their stacks.

Both Sun/Oracle/VirtualIron and Microsoft can offer a complete Virtualization/OS/DB/Middleware/Applications stack right from under the same roof, something VMware can not yet offer, and while Zimbra was a good first step, there's much road to be walked before they can compare to the big players. They "should" be in talks with SAP people by now if they want to play on the same league as the rest. They also need DBs, much more middleware, an OS... Not that it can not be done, but they need to do it first.

Meanwhile, both Oracle and Microsoft are quickly getting to a virtualization solution feature comparable with vSphere, as recognized by IDC.

While many offer DB and Middleware, those products don't really compare to Oracle's offerings. Oracle is for medium and high end, high performance computing. MS SQL and DB2 are for small to medium businesses. That's why most backends run Oracle, independently of who was the hardware provider (be it HP, IBM, Dell or other).

Sun/Oracle does lack on networking in comparison, but as you state, that's not a show stopper and can be fixed quickly.

Also, as announced not long ago, HP and MS will continue to integrate their products, so the actual stacks to be followed now seem to be:
-EMC/VMware/Cisco
-Oracle/Sun
-IBM
-HP/Microsoft

Overall I find your analysis interesting, but understandably biased.

Truly, the future will be interesting. Competition will be great. Each stack has it's strengths from it's origins and has been grown over time to become the monsters they are now. I'll repeat your words, Game on!

Massimo Re Ferre'

Chuck,

interesting times ahead indeed.

Your analysis seems to be pretty accurate. I was wondering though.... why is everybody today so interested in monitoring this trend of end-to-end stacks? While I am sure there is value in a fully integrated, single vendor (or coalition) stack ..... are we sure that's what customers are looking for? I am wondering that because, when I hear these discussions, I picture an AS/400 in my mind (and by the way do we know anything that is more end-to-end and fully integrated than that?)... yet it doesn't seem to me that that platform is in a good shape at the moment (from a business perspective I mean).

While the end-to-end theory is sound it appears to me customers are still geared towards selecting the best piece/vendor for every layer (based on their own needs).

Definitely interesting times ahead.

Massimo.

Chuck Hollis

Your example of the AS/400 (now known as the iSeries) is very insightful.

On one hand, it's hard to find a more integrated stack in mainstream IT. On the other hand, it's pretty obvious that major components of modern IT capabilities aren't available in that world.

You're right, though. Interesting times ahead ...

-- Chuck

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