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Barry Whyte

Of course I'm going to since the SVC song here, but in your "what storage for VMware" section its interesting at no point you mention Invista.

If I were discussing this with a customer, then maybe the question of flexibility of access would come in.

With an iSCSI router backed behind some cheaper FC or SAS based storage would work, while combining this with SVC. That way as you add more and more to your virtual environment, and the heavy hitters come in, then you are still provisioning storage through the same device and the same way you did when you were playing with test and dev systems. Then it doesn't matter what storage you buy, you add more of what you need when you need it, in the tier you need it - and if you end up needing a DMX then you can even add that behind the same interface and provisioning interface... I guess thats just one of the places SVC has a major advantage over Invista - entry level cost... not to mention not needing that DMX or high end box, just a selection of multi-vendor (best bang for the buck at the time) mid-range RAID boxes. Take the decision out of what next based on features, simply who can give me the performance and capacity I need this quarter. Sound simple... it can be... and many of our mutual customers would agree.

Chuck Hollis

Hi BarryW -- Glad you left a comment, I was missing the cheerleading ...

Funny, I've found almost *no* interest in block-mode storage virtualization (from any vendor, at any price) with the current serious VMware deployers.

If I had to hazard a guess as to why this might be, the answers might include:

* not wanting to complicate things with too many moving parts (e.g. SVC or alternative)

* think that VMware's "storage Vmotion" might be all that they need (true for more than a few use cases)

* concerned about end-to-end storage management issues.

Good luck out there, BarryW.

BTW, what are the plans with SVC and XIV? Looks like the XIV architecture might do a fair amount of virtualization on its own ...

Barry Whyte

Interesting take as always. We are finding the opposite, those that see the value in host virtualization, can see what storage virtualization can also bring to the party, and that they need to consider the same issues with both, peak loading, shared infrastructure etc etc

Vmotion does provide a nifty way to move host to host, but you still need that way to move storage to storage, or vendor to vendor....

I was recently suprised to learn that in all the miriads of wonderful EMC management software, by default you don't provide a means for your customers to measure response time - and they have to resort to freeware to get such insights. Said same - major EMC DMX and Clarrion deployer was amazed that SVC provided end to end statistics allowing both virtual and physical devices to be monitored - thus eliminating the need for the free-ware clunky products, and also showing the physical devices for what they were...

So end to end management and monitoring can only be easier in such an environment.

As for SVC and XIV, it will be a supported SVC storage device, and yes it provides virtualization in the sense of RAID (as most controllers do, EVA, USP, DMX), but cannot yet cross the vendor / storage controller device boundary, so there is still a place for block virtualization, even if you make the decision to use XIV to provide SATA enterprise arrays.

Chuck Hollis

First, BarryW, I'd suggest you might want to get briefed on "Storage Vmotion" which *does* do array-to-array moves, and thus is a candiate for storage virtualization done on the server, rather than switch/appliance/array approaches.

As far as end-to-end response tools, we have more than we can use. I can't speak to the specifics of the customer you were talking to, but -- categorically -- not an issue.

More interesting are things like provisioning, capacity utilization, root-cause problem analysis, encryption and key management, etc. It'd be very interesting to see what SVC does for those things as well :-)

As far as XIV, yes, good to here it'll be a real part of the IBM portfolio, since the message is a bit unclear externally. But -- you'll have to admit -- part of the "SVC is all about using cheap storage" message gets diluted a bit in the face of cheap XIV storage.

Wait a moment, I'm wrong! XIV is the expensive stuff, right? Sheesh, we can't figure it out -- can you help?

:-)

Steve Chambers

Hey Chuck, good article (and comments!).

I've got an update for you - VIOPS is live at http://viops.vmware.com/home

We are launching it at VMworld 08 so still a few things to sort out.

I didn't see you as a registered user so thought I'd bug you again :) hope you don't mind!

We have some changes due this week like replacing the graphics with nicer ones, and putting the Community zone together better, but the rest is finding and adding content...

Sounds like you've been on your travels - hope the 'lag isn't hurting too much - are you going to VMworld 08?

Chuck Hollis

My bad -- I'll be by soon!!!

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