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Bill Bonin

Regarding "Thread #4 -- Beyond Disaster Tolerant Computing To Active/Active":

Active/active has been popular for awhile with some network devices, so there is some real life data.

#1 The most important attribute of active/active is that lets the IT person sleep well at night. With traditional DR, when do we learn whether the DR will really and truly work? ANSWER: After a catastrophic failure. With active/active when will you know whether DR will really and truly work? ANSWER: All the time because the failover node is constantly processing data.

#2 The other really important attribute of active/active is that it's cost-effective. No one is going to build two fully redundant enterprise-scale data centers to support DR. But you might split processing between two data centers, with each capable of being an emergency failover site for the other. That way if your New Jersey data center gets whacked by a freak hurricane, your Utah data center can take over. That's effective DR without buying double hardware, double real estate, etc.

Mike Dutch

RE: Energy Really, Really Matters

Does EMC (or even better, the IT industry) have any lobbying efforts in Washington?

"Greeen" is good as far as it goes but tends to take our eye off the ball... growth takes energy and if our industry is going to grow, Energy SUPPLY Really, Really Matters.

Owen Garrett

Active-Active is by no means a panacea to failover problems. You still need to over-allocate capacity; in the event of a failover, the remaining datacenter or server needs to process all traffic, so you end up needing as much capacity as you would have in an active-passive scenario.

For many applications where state must be shared, active-active is also more complicated to implement and manage than active-passive.

The cloud computing / utility / service provider model changes the scene completely. Whether you go active-active or active-passive, you need just pay for what you use and resources can be brought on line dynamically. Some cloud providers do this already - expect to see automated migration between datacenters based on capacity, availability and cost in the near future too.

Tomorrow's college kids are going to marvel that organizations used to build entire redundant buildings to house their applications!

Chuck Hollis

Hi Mike

As someone with an economics background, I agree with your basic premise: energy is an economic input, just like capital or talent, and inherently more is better.

My impression is that -- in aggregate -- there is more than enough energy available globally. Like other important commodities (e.g. water, food) it's a bit unevenly distributed.

What's hurting are the global side effects of unbridled energy consumption, especially of the carbon-producing variety.

I remember a time when hydroelectric and nuclear were considered "bad", and coal was considered "good".

Yes, I believe EMC has a small lobbying capability in Washington, but I don't think it's enough to move the needle on this particular issue.

Chuck Hollis

Hi, thanks for writing. You make some interesting points, but I'm finding myself disagreeing a bit.

First, while you're right that some capacity might want to be overprovisioned (presumably in reserve for a bad day), the discussion usually goes in a different direction.

In many shops, there seems to be a rather long list of workloads that could be temporarily deferred if the capacity was needed for more important tasks: things like test and dev, reporting runs, administrative grooming tasks. Add that to the "buffer capacity" most shops run with, and we're definitely not talking 2x as you suggest.

Your second point discusses potential complexity issues. Many of the people I work with strongly believe that encapsulating workloads in virtual machines allows a consistent approach to orchestrating load balancing and failover as part of the same mechanism.

Certainly, trying to do this application-by-application would be impractical.

Thanks for writing!

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