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Martin G

Looks very nice Chuck, but not wishing to sound like an EMC fanboy and it's relevant to an earlier blog entry; I'd like to see a CX4 certified against the v-series Filers from NetApp. I think that could be a very powerful combination in the NAS space.

And I know that there are some interesting developments within the Celerra space but it would make my life easier if every EMC product was not seen as yet further lock-in to EMC.

I'd like to see my current disk suppliers playing nice; in our case that's EMC, IBM and NetApp. I'd like to be able to put EMC disk behind filers and perhaps IBM disk behind Celerra or at least have the option to do so. I understand the reasons why EMC don't want to do this but it is becoming increasingly hard to explain to my senior management why EMC don't play and I know that I'm not the only customer who wants to do this.

But lets not take anything away from you, the CX4 looks like a very nice box and if it comes in at the price-point which is being whispered to me, it's an interesting proposition.

Chuck Hollis

I can't argue with your basic premise ... it'd be great if customers could mix and match freely in the IT stack, and have it all work, and all be supportable.

But we all know that's not the case: certainly for storage, and also true for other parts of the IT industry.

Right now, the storage model is that any layer has to provide support for the layers below it. Put a filer (or virtualizer) in front of someone else's storage (anyone else's) and that vendor has to be able to support the underlying pieces.

As an example, EMC sells products like RainFinity, Invista and ControlCenter that work with NetApp, HDS, IBM, etc. Before we could make that offer, we had to spend big-o bucks acquiring these competitive platforms, qualifying them, and keeping them around when a customer calls with a problem.

You don't call NetApp when RainFinity or ControlCenter or DiskXtender isn't working, you call EMC. Same for Invista with HDS and IBM. Or PowerPath. Or ... well, you get the idea.

Same logic applies in reverse to the makers of filers and virtualizers -- someone's got to own the support relationship end-to-end.

Can't argue with your logic of desirability. But I also can't see anything like this happening broadly across the storage industry anytime soon.

Thanks for writing!

Sjon

Chuck,

Frankly I think you'd have a better chance of getting "10s" from these judges: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Soundmix_Show

mgbrit

Funny, when we announce smaller DMXes, the question gets reversed, e.g. "gee, now that DMX is so small, what happens to CLARiiON?".

Chuck, this made me laugh. I've heard the opposite, but not this. I guess I must have missed that launch announcement of the $25,000 DMX!

Joking aside, the CX4 looks as excellent as the CX3 and then some. Looking forward to getting my hands on one!

Chuck Hollis

Trust me on this, you get some strange questions out there.

My favorite example was a reporter who wanted to know how much a DMX weighed. I told him.

Then he asked "how much does it weigh when it's full of data?".

Well, that depends on the data type, you see, compressed data ... :-)

Barry Whyte

^ how much it weight with data... lol

Does a 1 weight more than a 0 ... lol

There are some weird ones out there!

itguy

Chuck - what's your take on the solid state drive option in Clariion? Do you think that the Tier 0 level will make sense for most users of the box? To me it the value proposition seems more obvious in the DMX... Thx for sharing your thoughts!

Chuck Hollis

People use CXs in all sorts of interesting situations, so I tend not to bias one way or another.

Simply put, if you find yourself striping multiple volumes, or short stroking, or both -- to obtain the IOPs you need, the enterprise flash option should be considered.

And, yes, the controller can more than hold its own with EFD performance levels in most cases.

James3678

How are they going to manage cooling in the CX4-960? With CX3, it's a typical front to back arrangement. With the double density in the 960, they'll be mounting the drive trays back to back, creating a heat chimney on the back side of the drive shelves. Front to back no longer works, now it's bottom to top. I guess you need to have a pretty big hole in the floor tile to push air up through the cabinet.

I also am wondering about the weight. A CX3 cabinet runs cluse to 1500 pounds. If you double the number of drives, you're going to be pushing 3000.

The flexibility in connectivity is going to be great, but I expect we would prefer a pair of 480s versus a single 960.

Also had a question about the Flare OS. Since the new platform is 64 bit, is Flare 27 going to be compatible with the CX3, or are you going to need to replace the storage processors to get the new functionaility.

Chuck Hollis

All great questions. And I think there are good answers. I just don't know what they are ;-)

If it's OK with you, I'll get someone online here who can answer specifically ... thanks!

Rodan Zadeh

Good questions.

Let me point out two key points on your remark about cooling. At the outset, on CX4 we introduced several industry’s firsts as well as many improvements over the traditional systems on environmentals. These include: low power SATA drives, adaptive cooling, virtual provisioning, and flash drive technology - to name a few. So, right off the bat employing these technologies would get you lower power usage and less heat generated as a result. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the ability to support more drives in the CX4 doesn’t come at price of increased footprint (i.e., bigger racks). CLARiiON remains as modular as ever. The customers don’t have to buy the all the racks and drive trays upfront to scale CX4s up to 960 drives. The arrangement of drive trays and the overall density per rack has not changed drastically on the new CLARiiON. Depending on the application and the drives deployed, the system’s weight and cooling per rack are the same or better than CX3, especially with all the innovations we did around energy efficiency.

On to your question about the new FLARE; the new 64 bit is for running on the CX4 hardware at this point.

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