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Nathan Smith

I, for one, would love it if our RSA security could be handled via something more compact. The keychains we have for EMC are pretty bulky, considering their limited use. Maybe they should also be laser-pointers!? :)

Tom Mahoney

An excellent post, although I have to wonder how long this technology will take to reach the status of all the others; nice to have but it's been cracked, hacked, and smacked. We're not dealing with script kiddies any more, here. They are sophisticated high-tech criminals.

I would like to make one correction. You are right that we all pay for fraud but in the on-line world, it's the merchant that considers it a cost of doing business, not the credit card company. If you know of a single instance where the credit card company took the loss for on-line fraud and let the merchant keep his money, let me know.

Chuck Hollis

I will defer to you as to the subject of who gets soaked for fraud. But -- I think you'll agree -- either way, we all end up paying higher prices, regardless of who eats it.

Thanks for the comment!

Chris

Yup, the merchant is going to pay for it. If the merchant goes belly up, the payment processors (Litle, etc) takes the hit on any charge backs (aka contested charges).

That said, fraud comes with a lot of fees as well. These are sometimes negotiated with banks and Visa/MC.

In the end, the popular "we all pay for fraud" is probably accurate.

Kraemer

There's a constant battle between security and privacy. For items that belong to me (my assets at a bank or investment house) I certainly want them to know that it's me that's requesting access. But for financial transactions with merchants, many consumers are starting to want to be as anonymous as possible. Sure my credit card company needs to authorize that I'm good for the debit/credit, but I'd rather not leave a string of personal data around the web and at the places I shop.

The Identity 2.0 conversation is an interesting one worth following. It's trying to balance the items you so eloquently mentioned above while preserving privacy (when you want it) in the process.

Learn more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_2.0

Michelle

How about a little enhancement that would require fingerprint recognition before the security code would be displayed?

Now, that would add a level of complexity for hackers.

Chuck Hollis

Hi -- it sure would add a layer of complexity.

After thinking about it, my opinion would be that it's not worth it -- the biometric doesn't offer that much more protection and adds a ton of cost.

Given the SecurID approach above, you'd need to (a) steal the card, (b) know the PIN, and (c) make sure the real owner didn't report it missing. Just having a stolen card in your possession would be pretty much useless -- and I guess that's the point.

And there's another, more practical concern -- as far as I know, the basic biometric-on-a-card tech is still a lo-o-o-o-ong way out.

Thanks!

Geoff Mitchell

Risk versus Reward!

the reason that companies have not adopted this into credit cards, public websites etc is that the demand is just not there. Yes, there is online fraud and risk for the institutions, but they have built processes around this and the losses - insured - are minimal. When weighing this up against the additional (and not inconsiderable) cost of implementing another layer of authentication, such as SecureID, it's the more expensive and more cumbersome option.

Chuck, you're a techie and would probably gravitate to those sites that employ this extra layer, but the majority of customers are disinterested in this and would not wish carry around 1 secure-id card for every secure website they wished to access, extra bulky credit card with built-in authentication.

Chuck Hollis

No, I'm not speaking as a techie, I am speaking as an uber-practical marketeer.

Most people wish to avoid risk, whether rational or not. We avoid unsafe cars, marginal airlines, and so on.

My survey of this topic shows that people have a semi-rational fear of identify theft, inappropriate use of their credit cards, some hacking into their web accounts, and so on.

These perceptions of risk are probably out of proportion to the real risks, but that's human nature.

Should a smart company offer a consumer a "safer" credit card, or a "safer" financial web site (albeit at a modest premimum), I would predict that such a company be rewarded with customers who are willing to pay extra to avoid a bit of risk.

If you've ever known someone who's purchased the "extended warranty plan" for a car, or home electronics, you know what I'm talking about.

Thoughts?

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